I have yet to see a reason why taxation is theft. I have explained why it is moral, so I have yet to see how it is immoral. There is no evidence it is unsustainable. Quite the opposite
How isn't taxation theft? Could you explain again how it's moral? What is the evidence that taxation is sustainable?
If I and others had the choice to not be included, there would be no problem. The entire problem is that we are included involuntarily. Kind of a huge con... game.
I can see that point of view, but it is due to the way the society has built up over time. It gives the society ownership over that area. Almost like leaving to not pay rent.
Let's use city as society. Construction and establishment of systems take time and effort and money. If you dont like that established system then you should leave the system.
The system of theft/taxation is worldwide. Anywhere I go there will be the same system. So that's beside the point. But again: Why do the bullies get precedence?
It isn't worldwide, just found all over the world. If you leave civilised areas no one bugs you about taxes. The precedence is due to a type of ownership. Property rights.
The state is also people. People paying taxes that are given to people, and pay for services for the people. People cant even get into politics. It's not hard to run in an election.
Yes, and that would be the positive definition of indoctrination which means education. Same as exploitation can have a positive definition, to make use of.
It gives people the tools to learn more. Education is the most valuable thig we have in modern society, and anyone with a university education is more privileged than any King of old.
Could you define city? Are you saying city is people? "It gives the society [city] ownership over that area." How does a concept, city, have ownership over an area?
Those representing the citizens of that city have control over the city, granted by the citizens. Telling the people and organizations and businesses to leave so you can stay is wrong.
I completely agree, which is why I am defending them against the state, a completely unnecessary parasite middleman that only contributes anti-life self-destructive brainwashing.
Their own interest to be systematically robbed from? Yes, only because they are also advocating and defending that I be robbed too. If it just affected them, I wouldn't care.
When everyone benefits everyone is asked to contribute. Often the benefits of these services are secondary. Even if you don't have kids it benefits you to fund education.
To be clear I am not counting it high on the morality scale. It is just a general "hey, we are all paying our share. You should too." I cant help but think we benefit from government.
Yes, and why should I hide and be forced to go through hoops to be free, to act or feel like I'm guilty, when the entire system that you're advocating, is immoral?
If people require the transit system to travel they realise they must pay. You then have riders asking why they should be stolen from simply to ride. The paying riders are stolen from.
I was using a transit system as an analogy for city, and paying the fair as taxes. A competing system would be another location with different tax rates. Freedom of movement helps.
We already have that. Tax rates already differ. And are still involuntary. You think the theft keeps society together and that it's therefore not theft. Right?
More than it funds the services the people demand. Since the people demand those services the collection of taxes to pay for them is not theft. It is payment for services rendered.
The system is moral. The only theft is from those not paying into the system. Like some public transit, paying is on the honor system. If no one paid the transit wouldnt work.
The system is immoral. The theft is from those who do not consent and are included anyway. If payment was on the honor system, people would not be included without consent.
Not entirely pointless. By advocating your position you do exert a small amount of influence on the system. If more wanted thig as you do things would move that way.
Taxation supports our system of government, and society. Every person receives the benefit of society when within society. Not paying your share while receiving the benefits is immoral
Why do thieves and bullies get to lay claim to any area by providing something after theft? To justify that thieves and bullies stay while the abused leaves is morally abject.
The only thieves and bullies are those trying to take advantage of the system without contributing to it as asked. To steal from the system everyone else contributed to.
If that were actually happening, you'd have a point. The entire issue is the inverse: Money is taken from you regardless of whether you consent, there is no such "theft".
The benefit of being stolen from under threat of kidnapping and if you resist, death? How is resisting theft/kidnapping/murder immoral? Can there be benefit if there is lack of choice?
Those are quite the false equivalencies. The issue of jail itself is only for the most extreme cases. Often it is more like getting a bad credit rating, and debt collectors after you.
Could you explain this and give examples of "more like getting a bad credit rating" and "debt collectors after you" in regard to taxes? I haven't heard that before.
I have an uncle who owes about 2 million in unpaid taxes froma business he owned. He has had credit is the consequence. He doesn't get given any form of tax return anymore.